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Why Our Therapists Use DBT in Their Own Lives

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When people first join a DBT therapy program or attend a skills class, one of the things they often notice is how openly our therapists talk about using DBT skills in their own daily lives. This sometimes surprises new clients. “If you, as therapists, still need to practice these skills,” they ask, “how can I trust that they’ll actually work for me?

It’s a fair and essential question. The truth is that DBT (Dialectical Behavior Therapy) isn’t a magic wand that erases challenges, frustrations, or painful experiences. It won’t make your boss kinder, your partner more attentive, or traffic on the Bay Bridge suddenly disappear. What it does offer is a structured, evidence-based approach to meeting life’s challenges with resilience, mindfulness, and practical tools. That’s why our therapists use DBT themselves—not because their lives are free from stress, but because they’re human too. And in practicing what we teach, we can guide clients from a place of authenticity and lived experience.

Why Therapists Practice DBT Skills Themselves

Therapist practicing DBT mindfulness in daily life.
Therapists use DBT skills every day, just like clients.

DBT is rooted in the balance between acceptance and change, offering tools to navigate real-world stressors more skillfully. Just as our clients do, our therapists face relationship struggles, unexpected challenges, and moments of self-doubt. Rather than ignoring these experiences, DBT offers a framework for responding in healthier, more compassionate ways.

For example, distress tolerance skills help us sit with discomfort when situations can’t be changed. At the same time, mindfulness grounds us in the present rather than spiraling into worries about the past or future. These same skills are taught in our DBT skills classes, where clients learn strategies for managing emotions, improving communication, and fostering stability.

Would you rather learn tools from someone who only knows them in theory, or from someone who uses them in daily life—through the same stressors, deadlines, and challenges that you do? Our commitment to using DBT ourselves is part of what makes the work real and relatable.

Personal Journeys Into DBT

Every therapist at the Oakland DBT and Mindfulness Center brings a unique story of how they came to this work. For some, it was witnessing the effectiveness of DBT in clinical settings early in their careers. For others, it was a personal connection to mindfulness, meditation, or the transformative power of dialectical thinking.

Heather Macbeth, MFT, first encountered DBT while working with at-risk youth. She recalls being inspired by how these young people not only learned the skills but were actively practicing them: “In groups, kids were talking about DEAR MAN and Wise Mind, and they were applying the tools to real challenges. That’s when I knew I wanted to become a DBT therapist.”

Christine Benvenuto, MFT, was drawn to the way DBT integrates mindfulness and compassion into a structured, evidence-based framework. Having practiced Buddhist meditation since her early 20s, she found DBT’s emphasis on radical acceptance and present-moment awareness deeply resonant. “The model empowers clients by teaching them tools they can use immediately and over time,” she explains.

This alignment of evidence-based structure with human-centered compassion is one reason DBT remains so powerful. To learn more about the philosophy behind this approach, visit our guide, “What is DBT?”

The Role of Dialectics in Daily Life

At the heart of DBT lies dialectical thinking—the ability to hold two seemingly contradictory truths simultaneously. For many of our therapists, this way of thinking became a turning point in their perspective on both therapy and life.

Lauren Gonzalez, MFT, explains that dialectics helped her find a middle path between skepticism and belief: “I’m not a quick joiner when it comes to ideas, but DBT invited me to test its tools for myself. I discovered that accepting two truths at once—like being okay with who you are and wanting to grow—was both freeing and practical.”

Dialectics reduce black-and-white thinking, making space for nuance, compassion, and growth. This principle doesn’t just help clients—it allows therapists to navigate their own lives with balance. For a deeper dive into this concept, see our resource on what dialectic means in DBT.

How Therapists Integrate DBT Skills Every Day

It may be surprising, but our therapists apply DBT skills in many of the same ways clients do. Here are some examples:

  • Mindfulness in the Moment – Pausing during a difficult conversation, at the DMV, or even in traffic to ground and center.
  • Emotion Regulation – Using skills like “Ride the Wave” to sit with emotions rather than reacting impulsively.
  • Distress Tolerance – Practicing a half-smile or willing hands during stressful moments, even multiple times a day.
  • Interpersonal Effectiveness – Applying DEAR MAN to Set Boundaries or Navigate Challenging Conversations.
  • Building Resilience – Using ABC skills (Accumulate positives, Build mastery, Cope ahead) to create long-term emotional stability.


As Joe Lawwill, MFT, puts it: “I can’t remember a recent life event where DBT skills didn’t apply in some way. Having a toolkit ready means that even when life gets chaotic, I know I can respond with more balance.”

This practical, skills-based approach is part of our broader services at Oakland DBT and Mindfulness Center, which include individual therapy, couples and family support, and group programs.

Why It Matters for Clients

Hearing that therapists actively use DBT skills often reassures clients. It shows that the therapy is not just theory—it’s a lived practice. It also normalizes the reality that life continues to present challenges, no matter who you are. The difference lies in how you respond.

As Laurie Pantell, MFT, shares: “When I’m emotionally triggered, it can take me a while to return to baseline. DBT self-soothing skills help me recover more quickly and approach situations with greater clarity and confidence. These same tools are what I teach my clients.”

By seeing their therapists as both guides and fellow practitioners, clients often feel more connected, validated, and motivated. DBT isn’t about perfection—it’s about building resilience and learning to walk a middle path in the face of difficulty.

Evidence-Based and Human

DBT therapist applying skills in everyday life.
Therapists integrate DBT into their daily routines.

One of the strengths of DBT is its dual nature: it’s backed by decades of clinical research, and it integrates human values like compassion, mindfulness, and meaning.

Heather Macbeth reflects: “I’ve seen lives improve through DBT countless times, but I’m also grateful that the research supports what we see in practice. Knowing it’s evidence-based gives both therapists and clients added confidence in the process.”

This combination of science and humanity is why DBT continues to resonate with both therapists and clients. It is not a one-size-fits-all approach—it’s flexible, adaptable, and deeply personal.

Conclusion 

So, why do our therapists use DBT in their own lives? Because it works. Not by erasing life’s challenges, but by providing a roadmap for meeting them with skill, compassion, and balance.

At Oakland DBT and Mindfulness Center, we are proud to model the very practices we teach. Just as you’ll learn to apply DBT skills in your relationships, work, and daily stressors, we use them in ours. That authenticity builds trust and ensures that what we offer is not only effective but intensely lived.

If you’re curious about how DBT can support your own journey, we invite you to reach out and explore the possibilities. Healing begins with one step—and we’ll walk with you every step of the way.

FAQs  (Frequently Asked Questions)

1. Why do DBT therapists use the skills themselves?

DBT therapists use the same skills they teach because life brings challenges for everyone, including clinicians. By practicing DBT daily, therapists model authenticity and resilience for clients. This lived experience builds trust and makes therapy more practical and relatable.

Does DBT work if my problems are outside my control?

Yes, DBT is designed for situations you can’t directly change. While it won’t fix external circumstances, it equips you with strategies to manage emotions, reduce suffering, and respond effectively. This allows you to move forward with clarity even when life feels unpredictable.

How is DBT different from other types of therapy?

Unlike traditional talk therapy, DBT combines evidence-based structure with mindfulness and acceptance practices. It teaches practical skills for emotion regulation, distress tolerance, and relationships. The unique blend of acceptance and change makes DBT especially effective for lasting growth.

Can DBT skills help with everyday stress, not just big problems?

Absolutely. DBT is flexible and designed to work in daily life, from managing stress related to traffic to navigating workplace or family conflicts. Many clients find the skills most powerful when applied consistently to small, everyday challenges.

Is it normal to feel skeptical about DBT at first?

Yes, many people start DBT unsure whether it will work for them. A healthy level of skepticism can actually help, as DBT encourages testing and applying skills in real-life situations. Over time, most clients see the benefits through their own experiences.

Rajesh Jagannathan

Rajesh Jagannathan

Rajesh Jagannathan was born in India and earned a B.Tech in Computer Science from IIT, Madras. After spending a few youthful years in the Masters/Ph.D. program at the Ohio State University moved to the Bay Area for work. Since then he has stayed in the Bay Area and worked in tech for the better part of 20+ years. He has been with the center since its inception playing a key advisory role on tech related matters.

He enjoys living in the bay area with his family, exploring the outdoors in California and the world at large. While interests change over time some constants through the years have been travel, cooking, painting and board games. Lately all his spare time has been consumed by pickleball.

David Pepper

David Pepper, MD (Retired)

Dr. Pepper was born in San Francisco and attended UC Berkeley and then Medical and Graduate School in Iowa. Returning to California, he practiced and taught full spectrum Family Medicine with UCSF for 30+ years, working in Fresno, San Francisco and Contra Costa Counties. 1,000 births and 1,000 deaths one could say – with thousands of Families in between… in the ER, Hospital and Outpatient Clinics – always with a focus on Family and Community.
 
He has a long interest in Psychedelics and completed the CPTR program through CIIS in 2023. He is passionate about helping people think about how to craft their second half of life with meaning, including planning for a natural End of Life process that is not over medicalized.  He believes that a well planned End of Life allows people to live well.  More about his work can be found here.  
 
He brings his expertise in clinical assessment, and the tools that support this to working with the Team at Oakland DBT and Mindfulness Center to develop best practices for working with clients seeking expanded state treatment.  He collaborates with his wife who also works with clients in Expanded States.  He enjoys his 4 children, gardening, hiking, and community.
Rochelle

Rochelle Frank, PsyD

Rochelle Frank, PhD is a clinical psychologist in Oakland, CA with over 30 years of experience in both the public and private sectors. Dr. Frank earned her doctorate in clinical psychology at Syracuse University and completed her clinical training at Yale Psychiatric Institute. She specializes in evidence-based transdiagnostic treatment of  complex and co-occurring mood, anxiety, and trauma disorders in adults and adolescents, and related  problems in high-conflict couples and families. 

In addition to her private practice Dr.  Frank is an assistant clinical professor of psychology at the University of California, Berkeley, and also  holds faculty and supervisory appointments at The Wright Institute and the University of California San  Francisco School of Medicine.  She is co-author of The transdiagnostic road map to case formulation and  treatment planning: Practical guidance for clinical decision making (Frank & Davidson, 2014; New Harbinger),  a contributing author to S. G. Hofmann & S. C. Hayes (Eds.), Beyond the DSM (2020, New Harbinger), and  currently serves on the board of directors for the Institute for Better Health.

Dr. Frank has been involved with Oakland DBT and Mindfulness Center since 2012.  She has served as a clinical consultant and focuses on helping the Team bring a transdiagnostic process-based perspective to case formulation and treatment planning, as well as integrating methods from other third-wave cognitive behavioral therapies into the DBT model.  

In addition to enjoying time with her family, Dr.  Frank is an avid golfer, home chef, and a frequent beta-tester of her clinical skills while skiing and mountain biking.

Michael Stanger

Michael Stanger, MD

I am a board-certified psychiatrist practicing in California and Colorado across a range of settings – inpatient, outpatient, emergency and partial hospital, with current affiliations at Contra Costa Regional Medical Center and Boulder Community Health.

I have a particular interest in the therapeutic utility of ketamine to support psychotherapy. I began working with ketamine in 2016, initially in my California private practice where I administered oral and intramuscular doses. I have since continued to support therapist access and to develop understanding around the most effective use of these modality. In related work, I have mentored with the CIIS Center for Psychedelic Therapies and Research and taught sessions with the Polaris Insight Center on ketamine.

My background includes childhood immigration from South Africa to New York, working in the technology industry for several years and then traveling in an unscripted manner to arrive at the awareness that medicine, and ultimately psychiatry would be the path to be helpful to others in an applied way.

Chrysanthe

Chrysanthe Christodoulou

Operations Manager

Chrysanthe is our Operations Manager and one of our in-house Mindfulness Experts. She connects with new clients as they come into the Center, oversees day to day operations and runs special projects.  She is instrumental in supporting the Team by bringing joy, flow and ease.

Chrysanthe studied Meditation, Yoga, and Mindfulness with some of the most respected teachers of our time. She also holds a BS in Economics.  This combination of skills ensures our Center runs efficiently behind the scenes and lends wisdom to our budding Mindfulness Program.

Her local teaching career has spanned the Bay Area and beyond: overseas in Spain, Chile, Greece, and Amsterdam; and locally in San Francisco, Marin, Berkeley, Oakland, and Walnut Creek. Chrysanthe honors the magic in both movement and stillness, stirring energy and witnessing what emerges as everything settles into place. 

When Chrysanthe isn’t handling the business end of the Center or running mindfulness programming, you can find her exploring trails with her wolf pup, finding connection in community, and enjoying the sun and the sea.

Priya Jogia

Priya Jogia

Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW)

​​Priya Jogia is a licensed clinical social worker (LCSW). Since 2013, she has worked in various clinical settings including: community mental health, hospital, and outpatient programs. Priya’s also spent time in Vietnam studying international social work and the relationship between culture, ethnicity, and mental health.

Priya is an active practitioner of mindfulness-based behavioral therapies including DBT and ACT, and has extensive training in CBT. As a DBT therapist, she’s seen the positive impact of using DBT skills in her own life, and is strongly committed to helping clients live meaningful lives that are aligned with their values.

Priya has an interest in perinatal mental health and working with BIPOC populations, and she strives to integrate a social and racial justice lens into her work. While being a therapist has brought a lot of meaning to Priya’s life, she tries not to take herself too seriously, and gets much joy from being a mum, being in nature, and cuddling with her dog.

Jay Indik

Jay Indik

Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW)

Jay brings his compassion, creativity, and equanimity to support each person who seeks therapy.. He believes that what makes each person happy is connected to their deepest sense of what is important. Jay listens for how each client can idiosyncratically transform their suffering into a happier life. As a result of working with Jay folks’ learn to address unwanted behavior, regulate their emotions, recover from individual or cultural trauma, repair relationships, and organize their behavior consistent with their values Jay has intensive training and has practiced the following modalities for decades: DBT, Narrative Therapy, Somatic Experiencing, Sensory Modulation, Psychodynamic Treatment and Expressive Arts Therapies. Jay specializes in working with couples, parents, parent child dyads and young adults, as well as with individuals from mid-life through retirement. Jay’s experience as a theater director, parent, teacher, and executive combined with his knowledge of research validated treatments allows him to best relate and serve each individual.

Jay has two adult children (one daughter, one non-binary), a “Real Dads Love Trans kids” t-shirt, and one amazing grandchild he watches one day a week.

Ari Tavano

Ariana Tavano

Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW)

Ari Tavano is a licensed clinical social worker (LCSW). She has worked in an array of clinical settings for over ten years, and utilizes the diversity of her experience to foster a therapeutic frame rooted in curiosity and empathic regard. She specializes in working with those looking to cultivate self-growth, increase interpersonal efficacy, and develop an affirming relationship with their internal worlds.

Ari extends a humanistic approach to her work by nourishing the whole self – according to one’s intersectionality and inherent wisdom. She is trained in DBT and other treatment modalities, including CBT, Existentialism, and Trauma Theory. She harmonizes the concepts of behaviorism and intuitiveness of relational healing, with opportunities to explore psychedelics and expanded-state work.

Ari invites you to build capacity for both processing and playfulness. She prioritizes humor and is often found in the ocean, on the dance floor, and imagining her next adventure. Ari has also worked as a licensed public school teacher in Hawai’i and documentary photographer in South Africa. She is committed to equity, inclusion, and the pursuit of social justice.

Alyson Barry

Alyson Barry, PhD

Licensed Clinical Psychologist

Alyson Barry is a licensed clinical psychologist (PhD). Since 2005, she’s gained experience in diverse areas of practice, including inpatient hospitals, intensive outpatient programs, community mental health, and private practice. Alyson came to DBT in 2013 through her own yoga and meditation practice, which led her to seek additional training in mindfulness-based therapies. Drawn to work with people who’ve experienced developmental trauma, she begins by addressing what’s happening in the present, helping her clients develop practical skills that fundamentally improve how they interact with themselves and the world around them. As a result of this work, this can over time, set the stage for healing the older wounds. She believes in a collaborative and consent-based treatment approach, working to ensure that clients understand and are in agreement with any diagnosis or therapeutic technique. She hopes that this transparency can help to create an environment of respect for her clients’ choice, autonomy, and knowledge of themselves. She is also a big believer in bringing humor and irreverence into therapy. In her free time, Alyson enjoys snorkeling, hanging out with her cat, and spending time with friends. Alyson is available to work via telehealth with clients in California, Colorado, and Florida.
Heather Macbeth

Heather Macbeth

Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist (MFT)

Heather co-founded the Oakland DBT & Mindfulness Center in 2012. She is a licensed MFT. She offers a relational, somatic, experiential and humanistic approach to her work and is committed to relieving psychological suffering. Her style is both compassionate and gentle as well as directive and aims to be supportive of each person’s unique needs. Her work focuses on emotion regulation, changing persistent cycles of self-blame, listening more closely to intuitive knowing and increasing self compassion. She is committed and dedicated to helping her clients have a life where they can find themselves thrive vs. just survive. Working as a therapist, clinical supervisor, skills group and workshop facilitator has brought her a lot of joy. In addition to a private practice setting she has worked in community mental health organizations with disenfranchised youth and families and in public schools as a Behavioral Specialist. Heather works with adults and teens. She is intensively trained in DBT and other treatment modalities such as; Gestalt, Psychodynamic, MBSR, ands Expressive Arts. She is certified in EAP (Equine-assisted psychotherapy) and offers equine-facilitated learning workshops in the Bay Area. Additionally, she has received her training in Ketamine Assisted Psychotherapy through the Polaris Insight Center in San Francisco and is inspired by the potential healing benefits of expanded states of consciousness work.

In her free time, and in ideal worlds, she is exploring jungles, hot springs, beaches, hanging out with animals (large and small), enjoying good food, travel and most importantly time with loved ones.

Christine Benvenuto

Christine Benvenuto

Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist (MFT)

Christine is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and the co-founder and Executive Director of the Oakland DBT and Mindfulness Center. She brings over 25 years of experience in mental health to her work, with a background in working with people in all walks of life in residential, outpatient and home based settings. A systems thinker, valuing sustaining relationships, she works with individuals, couples and groups, with a strong belief that small shifts can create dynamic changes.

She blends a lifetime of interest and practice in somatics, meditation, embodiment, psychedelics and the arts with a passion for social justice, nature and thriving ecosystems. Her mentors are psychologically savvy, center co-existence, value differences and maintain a sense of humor.

Her professional training spans from depth oriented, expanded state and attachment based to behavioral styles of treatment. She co-creates a therapeutic container that feels collaborative, warm, dynamic, thoughtful and deeply resonant.

She works with individuals, couples and groups, offering ongoing weekly therapy, Ketamine-Assisted Psychotherapy and Consultation.

Along side of her professional life, Christine is grateful for her extended web of relationships as daughter, sister, wife, friend, step-mom and community connector.

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